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[forums]Re: Hofheinz Pavilion, Houston, TX (11/18/72) CD
Posted by light into ashes on Dec 9, 2014 9:39pm into GratefulDead
Owsley said that some sound equipment was stolen at the 10/21 Vanderbilt show, which apparently caused problems recording that & the following shows. Mix issues or nonexistent SBD tapes are endemic through the late Oct/Nov '72 shows - if you check at least the other shows I mentioned, you can tell it wasn't just a problem at one show (though it's variable, since some tapes like 11/17 sound just fine)......

[forums]Re: Hofheinz Pavilion, Houston, TX (11/18/72) CD
Posted by light into ashes on Dec 9, 2014 8:07am into GratefulDead
1) Is the CD off-pitch? 2) No, it did not sound like this at the show; the PA mix was most likely more balanced. 3) The mix is Owsley's board mix. Phil is also turned up in the mix on the following night, 11/19. Owsley had trouble getting proper recordings at several shows on this tour - for instance, see 10/21 Vanderbilt for an even more Phil-heavy mix; or 10/26 Cincinnati for a near-mono mix with loud drums and quiet bass; or 11/12 Kansas City for a very screwed-up mix......

[forums]Re: TFTV
Posted by light into ashes on Dec 6, 2014 8:35pm into GratefulDead
Many people have thought that jam sounded like some classical piece....but nobody's ever been able to identify it!...

[forums]some Garcia artwork
Posted by light into ashes on Nov 29, 2014 7:57pm into GratefulDead
If any of you happen to be in Grenoble, France during the next month, a museum there is showing a selection of Garcia's art. http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/music-legend-jerry-garcias-artwork-now-being-celebrated-in-art-in-pop-exhibition-in-first-time-museum-setting-279107271.html Some interesting samples w/ captions are shown in a slide-show here: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/pictures/jerry-garcia-most-astounding-paintings-and-sketches-20141124 A wider selection is also here: ......

[forums]Re: So Dick did love this show
Posted by light into ashes on Nov 17, 2014 11:27am into GratefulDead
Lemieux says they get requests for this show all the time, but can't release it since it's not in the Vault. (They're missing a lot of '78 - most of January, most of April, and the Red Rocks shows as well.) I bet the board of this show was not circulating that early - the AUD was all that was available in early '78. Latvala was a pretty well-connected trader already and was getting shows from all over the country a few months after they were played. This post was modified by light into ashes o......

[forums]New 1971 Show Surfaces
Posted by light into ashes on Oct 12, 2014 1:37am into GratefulDead
Charlie Miller has brought out a nice, previously unknown audience recording of the 1/21/71 UC Davis show. It should be up on the Archive before long. The soundboard never got leaked, except for a little bit played on the Taper's Section. It's a neat early '71 show, though short - the old deadbase setlist was apparently right, but some songs are missing from the tape. The band is rather quiet & distant - and the audience is noisy, lots of annoying talking and clapping along......

[forums]Re: New 5-3-69 Set Surfaces
Posted by light into ashes on Sep 27, 2014 10:57pm into GratefulDead
He means the Oakland Black Panther benefit they played on 3/5/71, a lost show. I've seen other reports of that show, though, and none of them mention Weir getting into any fights. That reviewer also said the Campolindo show "was the first time Phil's father ever saw him play," which is not true; and that after Jerry stormed offstage "most of the set was performed without him," which is also not the case......

[forums]New 5-3-69 Set Surfaces
Posted by light into ashes on Sep 27, 2014 1:38am into GratefulDead
Not for long.... It's the Jam of the Week streaming at dead.net. http://www.dead.net/features/jam-week/september-26-october-02-2014 Though they mislabeled it Winterland, this is the afternoon show at Sierra College, Rocklin, opening for the Youngbloods. Less than an hour and just four songs, it seems to be the whole set. A short, sloppy, on-and-off show, this is probably one of their worst sets of spring '69, but completists may want to hear it......

[forums]Re: Ned Lagin and the Dead
Posted by light into ashes on Sep 26, 2014 12:59pm into GratefulDead
There will be a positive German review of the Hamburg '72 show posted on Dead Sources next week or so. (A negative, not very perceptive review of the Frankfurt show is already up.) I know the Paris shows got reviewed too, but the translation for that will take longer. And you may have seen, a nice review of the Dijon 9/18/74 show was posted here on this forum a little while ago. I don't think I've found other French or German reviews from the '74 tour? Here's part of a scathing review of th......

[forums]Re: Ned Lagin and the Dead
Posted by light into ashes on Sep 25, 2014 8:35pm into GratefulDead
I think at that point in June '74, there was no thought of connecting the Phil/Ned segment to the Dead's set via a jam, and that idea only arose later - but that's just a guess; Ned would know what the actual plan was, of course. In Blair Jackson's 1990 interview with Phil, he asks about Unbroken Chain, and Phil explains why they didn't play it live in '74: "It was meant to be performed, but there were so many changes in it, it proved to be very difficult......

[forums]Re: Ned Lagin and the Dead
Posted by light into ashes on Sep 25, 2014 4:40pm into GratefulDead
Those full-band sets that gradually turn into Dead jams are also my favorites. 6/23/74 is not an example, though - there's a clear break between the Phil/Ned set and the set II opening jam, in which Ned is, I think, inaudible. As he almost always was during the Dead's sets, til late in '74....

[forums]Re: Interview with musicologist about 'The Eleven'
Posted by light into ashes on Sep 25, 2014 12:23am into GratefulDead
I found an actual "Nines jam" - from a March '75 studio rehearsal tape: https://archive.org/details/gd1975-06-07.bluesruffs.sbd.smith.94427.sbeok.flac16 The jam's also known as "Orpheus," I think, and it's in 9/8 time - no real melodic theme or progression; Garcia plays a stuttering, repeated note. It goes from tracks 18-23 - Garcia starts out saying, "that's where I meant to be in relation to the nine."...

[forums]Re: Interview with musicologist about 'The Eleven'
Posted by light into ashes on Sep 24, 2014 6:34pm into GratefulDead
I don't recall that jam being called "The Nine" - I thought it was in 7/8 time?...

[forums]Re: Interview with musicologist about 'The Eleven'
Posted by light into ashes on Sep 24, 2014 6:27pm into GratefulDead
David Malvinni also wrote a book a couple years ago called "Grateful Dead and the Art of Rock Improvisation," recommended for those who'd like to read technical/musicological analyses of the Dead's improvs over the years. The Eleven was definitely an important piece for the early Dead - as a band composition, for Mickey's contribution, and for the polyrhythmic practice. Garcia sometimes talked about this - for instance, see Gans' Conversations with the Dead, p.67-68, he specifically discusses ......

[forums]Re: Ned Lagin and the Dead
Posted by light into ashes on Sep 24, 2014 3:49pm into GratefulDead
Something like this has been needed for a long time, and I'm glad it's available now. It has a bunch of details & performances that were missed in the Gans interview, and it's helped immeasurably by all the extra comments from Ned. Anything you could add from your own talks with Ned would be appreciated, of course!...

[forums]ADMINS - Disappearing Shows
Posted by light into ashes on Sep 18, 2014 9:55pm into GratefulDead
http://archive.org/details/gd1982-07-28.sbd.browning-feinberg.32707.sbeok.flac16 It's gone from the search results and now only comes up as an error message: "The item is not available due to issues with the item's content." This has happened to several other shows I've seen too, apparently at random. It's really annoying. Here's another well-known example: http://archive.org/details/gd73-02-15.sbd.hall.1580.sbeok.shnf I haven't kept track of other examples, though......

[forums]Re: 9/10/74 - 2nd night of Alexandra Palace
Posted by light into ashes on Sep 10, 2014 8:13pm into GratefulDead
I did hear about the conference, but I'm not able to attend. I look forward to the fruits of the interview... The Gans interview showed that Lagin remembers those years exceptionally well....

[forums]Re: 9/10/74 - 2nd night of Alexandra Palace
Posted by light into ashes on Sep 10, 2014 7:13am into GratefulDead
Fascinating comments on the Capitol shows. I wonder if we can hear him either of those nights. A full interview transcription is needed, of course!...

[forums]Re: 9/18/74 - Parc De Expositions DDP 19
Posted by light into ashes on Sep 9, 2014 8:51pm into GratefulDead
I love how Keith gets special mention for his "relaxed appearance....slumped on a chair"!...

[forums]Re: 9/10/74 - 2nd night of Alexandra Palace
Posted by light into ashes on Sep 9, 2014 7:25pm into GratefulDead
The Archive usually takes its setlists from Deadbase, whether or not that actually matches what's on the tape. No SBD of the 9/10/74 Phil/Ned is available, for whatever reason. But according to deadlists, the Phil/Ned set IS on the audience tape of this show. The catch is, the AUD tape is nowhere available online - it was probably never transferred to digital. A shame. For what it's worth, the Phil/Ned from 9/11/74 is widely available! What did Ned say to you about these shows? I know he has ......

[forums]Re: 9/18/74 - Parc De Expositions DDP 19
Posted by light into ashes on Sep 9, 2014 7:23pm into GratefulDead
I'm sure some people would appreciate a bit of translation for the show review, and a glimpse of the Pink Floyd article!...

[forums]Re: It 'clicked' , the 2/13/70 Dark Star , from the AUD !
Posted by light into ashes on Sep 5, 2014 9:35pm into GratefulDead
I also thought the Dark Star was much more compelling on the AUD tape. https://archive.org/post/558692/2-13-70-aud-is-here This post was modified by light into ashes on 2014-09-06 04:35:02...

[forums]Re: Examples of ≤74 Dark Star jams
Posted by light into ashes on Sep 5, 2014 9:22pm into GratefulDead
3/24/70 (thanks to a tapecut), 12/5/71, and 7/25/74 are other Dark Stars without verses. You could also consider Dark Stars that do have verses, but sort of "sneak in" through a jam without the usual intros...like 12/15/72, 3/24/73, 12/6/73....

[forums]Re: Paging LIA : Post 10/31/71 'Tighten Up Jam' s .
Posted by light into ashes on Aug 28, 2014 8:01pm into GratefulDead
OK, it seemed clear to me around 18:30 of that Other One - Weir & Garcia are both playing rhythm chords in basically the same groove as early Eyes - the chords may not be the same but the feeling's very similar. That part doesn't last very long though - I guess it's debatable!...

[forums]Re: Paging LIA : Post 10/31/71 'Tighten Up Jam' s .
Posted by light into ashes on Aug 27, 2014 12:24pm into GratefulDead
Well, 10/31/71 was the last Tighten Up jam... Whether that jam was the origin for Eyes is debatable, but it is similar; a lot of people when they hear a '69-70 Tighten Up jam figure it's an early Eyes. It's noted in this post (which I didn't write) - http://deadessays.blogspot.com/2013/12/eyes-of-world-field-guide-guest-post.html If you really want to hear a proto-Eyes jam, check out the 12/10/72 Other One, about 18 minutes in, they're clearly playing a primordial Eyes groove: https://archi......

[forums]for Dylan fans... (non-Dead)
Posted by light into ashes on Aug 27, 2014 3:13am into GratefulDead
You've probably already seen this, but Dylan's Bootleg Series vol. 11 will be released in November. The deluxe edition is the COMPLETE Basement Tapes....as in 6 CDs, 138 tracks, including OVER TWO DOZEN SONGS never heard before, even on bootleg. From the press release: "The Basement Tapes Complete brings together, for the first time ever, every salvageable recording from the tapes including recently discovered early gems recorded in the "Red Room" of Dylan's home in upstate New York......

[forums]Re: Wichita DP 11 just received
Posted by light into ashes on Aug 5, 2014 12:11pm into GratefulDead
The cuts in Jack Straw and the Other One are patched. They may have had an alternate SBD source for the show - the Other One continues uninterrupted where our circulating SBD was cut. Maybe the cut was only on the copy that got leaked. The first 1:42 of Jack Straw seems to come from another show, and also the first :30 of Casey Jones. It's also odd that the Warner copy of this show has vanished from the Archive listings, though the Lai copy's still present......

[forums]Re: 6/24/70 Missing material?
Posted by light into ashes on Aug 4, 2014 8:55am into GratefulDead
This post reviews the complete shows: http://www.ta.speedingarrow.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=210 (remove the ; ) Ken Lee's tape is missing a couple sets, which are covered on other sources; unfortunately the late acoustic set is still incomplete. This post was modified by light into ashes on 2014-08-04 15:55:53...

[forums]Re: 4/21/72 film - Thanks voodoonola!
Posted by light into ashes on Jul 23, 2014 12:30pm into GratefulDead
Amazing - where does he get this stuff? Straight from the theater to your computer screen......

[forums]Re: Dave's Picks 11 includes some 11-15-72
Posted by light into ashes on Jul 23, 2014 1:01am into GratefulDead
Glad they included filler of some songs not represented on 11-17! A rare thing for Dave's Picks, and makes this an even better set. It struck me as odd, though, that Dave picked the Playing from 11-15 rather than 11-18. 11-15's Playing is fine, but really tame compared to the incredible smoking fireball that they played on 11-18 - there's just no comparison. My best guess is it's because 11-15 has better recording quality......

[forums]Re: 4/21/72 film
Posted by light into ashes on Jul 18, 2014 8:19pm into GratefulDead
On a technical note - it's peculiar that neither the film nor the CD are complete... The film makes it clear that the CD was heavily edited to fit within 80 minutes, missing not only the soundcheck but also quite a bit of between-song noodling, song-teasing & chatter by Garcia & the others. Kind of a shame that we don't have the "complete" show and miss, for instance, Garcia fooling around with the Teddy Bear's Picnic tune or calling for another take of Playin': "we'll do it decent this time." ......

[forums]Re: DVP 11 - 11-17-72
Posted by light into ashes on Jul 18, 2014 6:40pm into GratefulDead
Well, well! I thought if they were going to do late '72 someday, they'd put out 9/28 or 10/18 before getting to this one. I wonder if they had any alternate SBD source to patch the cuts... The cut in Jack Straw is notorious, and the Other One's also cut... But I suspect they'll just quietly patch from another show, if they do any patches. (Trivia note: as well as being the Dead's only show in Wichita, this is one of only five shows from late '72 with no Playing in the Band.)...

[forums]4/21/72 film
Posted by light into ashes on Jul 17, 2014 9:27pm into GratefulDead
A joy to watch. Actually this may be a better filmed representation of '72 Dead than the Veneta movie - the setlist is a bit short but you get a close look at everybody & really feel like you're 'onstage' with them. The only audience was a few TV crewmembers. The soundcheck wasn't filmed I guess, but there's some nice horseplay by the band in between takes. And all the false starts were funny. The source was video, so the picture's a little blurry & wobbly (probably more noticeable on the big sc......

[forums]Re: setlist schematics -Grateful Dead & others
Posted by light into ashes on Jul 1, 2014 7:28pm into GratefulDead
I can't make head or tail of those, but they certainly look cool....

[forums]Meet-Up At The Movies: 4/21/72
Posted by light into ashes on Jun 9, 2014 1:48pm into GratefulDead
Dead.net has posted the info about this year's event - Thursday, July 17 at 7:30 - a listing of the theaters is here: http://www.fathomevents.com/event/grateful-dead-meet-up-at-the-movies-2014 The film is supposed to be over 80 minutes, so it'll be more complete than the E72 CD. (Maybe it'll have the soundcheck, or more banter.) Sad news: "We have no plans to release this concert on DVD or home video of any kind, so don't miss out on what could be your only chance to see it!"...

[forums]Re: mysterious 68 gig
Posted by light into ashes on May 28, 2014 2:29pm into GratefulDead
I would guess that's from earlier in the spring, like April/May. As a free park show, there might not be any record of the date. (However, the Dead did play a free show in the Panhandle on Sunday, June 1.)...

[forums]Re: God-like Phil Solos ab't 4 min into New Potato Caboose
Posted by light into ashes on May 28, 2014 12:01am into GratefulDead
1) The earliest version with the Phil solo is in an unlabeled show from May or June '68. 2) No, there isn't. There's a link to a history of NPC deep in the thread WT linked - you'll want to check out the other versions from late '68/early '69....

[forums]Re: What's in-between
Posted by light into ashes on May 20, 2014 8:00pm into GratefulDead
Nice picks for the show. I look forward to the next - the membership drive really cut into the playing time on this one!...

[forums]Re: Non-Billy show(s)
Posted by light into ashes on May 15, 2014 8:09pm into GratefulDead
True; it would just be one drummer up there til the electric set. Not many video examples of 1970 acoustic Dead, I'm afraid; but this was a set where it was just Bill drumming: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVWOqFQ6AS0 ...

[forums]Re: What's in-between
Posted by light into ashes on May 15, 2014 8:08pm into GratefulDead
You should share the paper here when it's presented!...

[forums]Re: Non-Billy show(s)
Posted by light into ashes on May 15, 2014 4:35pm into GratefulDead
Actually I think most (maybe all) of the 1970 acoustic sets have just one drummer. Through the year, Bill & Mickey would alternate drumming for the acoustic sets, seemingly at random. For instance, Mickey was the acoustic drummer on 4/10, 4/18, 5/15, 7/14/70 & possibly one of the July '70 Fillmore East dates - and Bill on 6/5, 7/4, 8/17 & 8/19/70...other dates have yet to be investigated....

[forums]Re: the nudie suits
Posted by light into ashes on May 14, 2014 7:04pm into GratefulDead
That might cover all the times they wore the suits... I thought I read somewhere that Garcia wasn't very comfortable wearing it - couldn't find that, but here's part of a Bob & Frankie Weir interview with Crawdaddy, August 1972. Weir was saying how a real country audience wouldn't accept the Dead as a country band... Bob: I could go down and get a Nudie suit and they still wouldn't believe it. Garcia has one......

[forums]Re: Dave's Thema pick
Posted by light into ashes on May 7, 2014 3:46pm into GratefulDead
Slow...rough...slovenly... All true, and frequently typical of fall '69 shows. I think the Caution jam is really transcendent, though....

[forums]Re: Dave's Thelma pick
Posted by light into ashes on May 7, 2014 3:17pm into GratefulDead
The Alligator>Caution jam has long been famous, and is basically the reason for release. It really stands out above the rest of the show. The end of UJB is also nice, and it's cute when the Dead ask for requests after that and tease Dark Star. A lot of listeners on dead.net love the loose, small-theater atmosphere; though it's not very intense, and often pretty sloppy. The 12/11 bonus cuts are standard performances for the time (well, this is relatively speaking, from the days when a Dark Star>......

[forums]Re: New Yorker review of Weir movie
Posted by light into ashes on Apr 29, 2014 4:06pm into GratefulDead
Though he doesn't say anything about the movie, it's nice to read a reviewer who's so familiar with the band - and even saw them in '69! (Though he fell asleep... Cool show description, nonetheless.) Another neat recent Weir interview: http://www.vanityfair.com/vf-hollywood/bob-weir-grateful-dead ...

[forums]Re: Early 1971, post Mickey, pre Keith .
Posted by light into ashes on Apr 29, 2014 4:00pm into GratefulDead
Weir also said that with two drummers it was more cumbersome to turn a corner, and with one drummer they could be more open and loose. And he said more recently: "One time after a particularly difficult gig, Jerry told those guys it was like playing with a popcorn machine. Because they got busy and were going in different directions and stuff, and there wasn’t much rhyme or reason to it."...

[forums]Re: Early 1971, post Mickey, pre Keith .
Posted by light into ashes on Apr 29, 2014 3:58pm into GratefulDead
One clueless interviewer asked Mickey what he thought about the Veneta '72 show... He replied, "I don't remember it."...

[forums]Re: Early 1971, post Mickey, pre Keith .
Posted by light into ashes on Apr 28, 2014 7:56pm into GratefulDead
"It may be heresy here, but I think the band was better and tighter sans Mickey, less slop in the rhythm section." I thought that was the common opinion around here? Lots of folks feel the same way about the solo-drummer years. Although I'm not a fan of Bill's long '71 drum solos......

[forums]Re: Early 1971, post Mickey, pre Keith .
Posted by light into ashes on Apr 28, 2014 9:19am into GratefulDead
Their playing gets better from February to August....some of the Capitol run is dismal, as they adjust to Mickey's departure, but I think each month after that the shows get stronger & tighter. While this isn't known as a period of expansive jamming, there are a couple notable exceptions - they really stretched out the Good Lovin' jams, creating a more interesting interplay with Pigpen than they did in Lovelight; and the Other One was also made a lot spacier than it had been in 1970......

[forums]Re: Fillmore East 2/1169 Pocket edition Dead
Posted by light into ashes on Apr 15, 2014 9:26am into GratefulDead
I think the general opinion when the Dead opened for the Jeff Beck Group at the Fillmore East in June '68 was that Beck's band blew the Dead away. Though I hope some in the audience felt differently! At any rate Beck's music (or for that matter Janis's) would have been easier to follow than long Cautions, unknown instrumentals, feedback, etc. The Fillmore audience in Feb '69 would have recognized almost everything in the early show (it's not like King Bee or Lovelight were obscure songs), so th......

[forums]Re: Fillmore East 2/1169 Pocket edition Dead
Posted by light into ashes on Apr 14, 2014 8:26pm into GratefulDead
As openers, the Dead were restricted to about an hour a show....though they still had time to fit in encores (Cosmic Charlie & the mercifully short-lived Hey Jude). There are a lot of sets in the '68-70 time range when you can tell they're rushing to squeeze things in, and sometimes the shows benefit from the extra energy. Phil later said he missed being an opener & surprising people who didn't know about them. There's a nice moment when Weir is about to tell the story of George Washington's tee......

[forums]Re: Good Lovin' (but not for tapers), 70-71
Posted by light into ashes on Apr 12, 2014 9:56pm into GratefulDead
It's a classic moment. Yes, they would have assumed tapers were bootleggers; Dead tape trading basically didn't exist at that point. It wasn't until around '73 that tape-trading became more widely known among Dead fans; til the mid-'70s most people had to get Dead shows via bootleg records or radio broadcasts. When Relix magazine started in '74/75 it became a lot easier to find tape traders. Of course, you could also point to Weir's 8/6/71 comment to the tapers to move back for better sound; or......

[forums]Re: Dave's Pick 10: 12/12/1969
Posted by light into ashes on Apr 11, 2014 9:36am into GratefulDead
I don't know. I hope not; it's better to have another unknown Dark Star (and completely unknown show) to look forward to. I guess playing-wise this show is about on the same level as 11/8 and 12/20/69. This was an uneven period for the Dead, with generally very laid-back playing. (In the last week of December they start getting noticeably more energetic.) But the 11/8/69 second set, and the Alligator>Caution here, are two of my favorite sets from late '69....

[forums]Re: Dave's Pick 10: 12/12/1969
Posted by light into ashes on Apr 10, 2014 9:53pm into GratefulDead
I'm surprised we didn't get any new & unheard material after all. Lemieux seems to be putting off his real "standout" '69 discovery for another day. Oh well, at least this will be an upgrade. As far as missing reels, I keep hoping the rest of 2/12/69 will come out someday... That would be a treat....

[forums]Re: Next Dave's Picks?
Posted by light into ashes on Apr 4, 2014 8:17pm into GratefulDead
Strange thing is, Lemieux was talking about how one of the rediscovered '69 shows had some great Dark Star he was anxious to release...in fact, he all but promised it for a 2014 release in the DP6 liner notes. This show, of course, has neither a Dark Star nor any missing reels that we know of...unless our tapes were misdated? 12/11/69 does have the songs in the setlist that Lemieux mentioned - Dark Star, Dew, Eleven, Other One - although it doesn't seem to be incomplete either......

[forums]Re: Old news, old rant (100 Year Hall vs E72 ) , where's Keith ?
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 30, 2014 3:18am into GratefulDead
Well heck, my essays are public proof of obsessive neurosis. Sanity was abandoned long ago. And besides, overloading on downloads you'll never get around to is the normal lifestyle these days!...

[forums]Re: Cover of the Rolling Stone, 11/22/73
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 29, 2014 9:17pm into GratefulDead
Charles Perry, "A New Life for the Dead" - it's in Rolling Stone's Garcia tribute book. Excellent article....

[forums]Re: Old news, old rant (100 Year Hall vs E72 ) , where's Keith ?
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 29, 2014 10:52am into GratefulDead
Yikes, that's a list I would not be eager to tackle. I remember that LL thread long ago, but don't remember that there was actually a lot of useful info in there - I think pretty much everything of note would've been included in the E72 overdubs post. At any rate, I'm sure a list could be compiled of all the mix differences & little bits missing from the box set. That I found several missing vocals in just a short random check of a few songs/shows was distressing enough! But I would never hav......

[forums]Re: Old news, old rant (100 Year Hall vs E72 ) , where's Keith ?
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 28, 2014 10:37am into GratefulDead
It is bizarre & unfortunate. (Yet on other E72 box-set shows, Keith wasn't pushed back so much.) There are a couple other mix oddities in this show, too. One listener wrote, "On Hundred Year Hall, in "Me & My Uncle" Weir throws in a cool little ad lib ("guess you know about it") between "high low jack and the winner take the hand" and Garcia's solo. In the box set, they have mixed out this adlib from Weir." Also, "On Hundred Year Hall, you can clearly hear Weir count in "One More Saturday Nig......

[forums]Re: 1972 Melodic Jams
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 25, 2014 10:42pm into GratefulDead
Thanks for the recommendation. The location of the jam isn't crucial (it's just a general pattern that these unique jams come at the end)...however I have a hard time hearing a distinct theme in the part you pointed out, it initially seems like more of a loose groove. There are other sections of this Dark Star that seem to my ears closer to being separate jams: the part from about 4:20-5:10, the part from 10:00 to 12:50 (goes through a couple cycles), and perhaps 17:00-18:15......

[forums]Re: 1972 Melodic Jams
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 21, 2014 11:59pm into GratefulDead
Good question, and there's no clear answer. I think Ned had to persuade Phil into doing the sets with him, and Phil enjoyed the 'confrontational' aspect of challenging the audience, and the other bandmembers had no objections. Weir, however, later said that the band was losing audiences in '74 because of their "esoteric, inbred" jams no one could follow; and he was happy they tightened up the ship after that......

[forums]Re: 1972 Melodic Jams
Posted by c-freedom on Mar 21, 2014 9:04pm into GratefulDead
Hey Light into Ashes; If they were concerned about losing audience why did they let NED loose? The atonal stuff even with Phil and occasionally the rest of the band is some mighty rough going at times. I prided myself on dancing thru almost every drumz and space I saw in the 80's but I am not sure how I would have handled Seastones. Interesting take on the inner working of the Dead's music. It may have been a party for so many of us but it was also a mighty cherished and finely crafted MOTHER S......

[forums]Re: 1972 Melodic Jams
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 21, 2014 7:34pm into GratefulDead
This kind of thing didn't happen in the 1972 PITBs. I think it wasn't til '74 (or late '73) that different types of jams started showing up in PITB, so that the improv would pass through varying 'movements' before the reprise. I don't think the 11/26/72 Dark Star qualifies, I didn't hear anything in there that was really a unique separate jam - though the Feelin' Groovy is certainly sweet. However, the very end is worth noting since Garcia starts playing this happy run that sounds like he was......

[forums]Re: 1972 Melodic Jams
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 21, 2014 11:48am into GratefulDead
Yeah, I didn't want to get into little brief jam fragments that didn't get developed. But the 12/10/72 Other One is interesting because, when they're coming out of space, they play what is clearly a proto-Eyes jam, with Weir & Garcia both playing jazzy rhythm chords like in the early Eyes. No plans to expand this catalog outside '72 for now. ...

[forums]Re: Box back nitties, great big noble thighs, and boar-hog eyes
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 21, 2014 11:29am into GratefulDead
Great pictures! I always liked the interpretation of "nitties" as "long flannel underwear with the flap in the back," but it seems there's not much historical evidence for that word, at least I didn't see any. I love the direct connection to '20s flapper culture here....

[forums]Box back nitties, great big noble thighs, and boar-hog eyes
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 20, 2014 10:50pm into GratefulDead
Those of you who were curious about where Pigpen got these phrases in Lovelight from.....the scholars have come to your rescue: http://mypages.iit.edu/~ahrens/boxbackmiddy.htm He apparently got that verse straight from Lightnin' Hopkins, a variation on old blues songs from the '20s....

[forums]1972 Melodic Jams
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 20, 2014 10:10pm into GratefulDead
One unusual trait of the Dead’s long jams in 1972 was that they would sometimes end Other Ones or Dark Stars with unique melodic sequences. Out of spacy or abstract passages, chord patterns would emerge that sounded rehearsed or familiar, but you couldn’t quite place where you’d heard them before, and generally they were never played again. Of course this kind of jam happened in other years as well – I might just mention the 2/18/71 “Beautiful Jam” or the end-of-Dark-Star jam on 2/2......

[forums]Re: Betty Board question
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 13, 2014 12:09pm into GratefulDead
Kidd Candelario took over taping Dead shows in fall '73, I think, and did it for the next year. Betty was also pregnant in 1974. "Someone seemed to think that meant I didn't want to work, or I'd lost my mind; maybe just dysfunctional... They thought I didn't want to do [Winterland Oct '74] because I had just had my kid, even though I had been recording the Garcia Band gigs all along - my son Cole was three days old when he did his first Garcia Band gig." Of course we don't know all the shows s......

[forums]Re: Betty, we hardly heard ye
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 12, 2014 1:56pm into GratefulDead
I agree that what we don't know is what behavior on her part led to this ostracism. Though she said people were acting "weird" and "paranoid" & didn't want her around because she was Brent's ex, there might've been other reasons she didn't want to share. Remember, she'd quit in '83/84, a couple years before her house troubles, probably not on good terms with the band anymore - she felt they'd ripped her off, & they didn't trust her......

[forums]Re: Betty, we hardly heard ye
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 11, 2014 12:51pm into GratefulDead
According to Kidd Candelario, part of the Dead crew: "That could have been purchased for a minor amount of money and it was never done... The organization knew ahead of time that Betty was in trouble and that these tapes were there. The feeling about two-track tapes at that point was that they were unimportant, that they had no value... It was an employee who really wasn't an employee anymore who was kind of down on her luck and couldn't pay for her storage anymore......

[forums]Re: The Brotherhood vs. the Dead Machine
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 8, 2014 12:36am into GratefulDead
Thanks. I did leave a lot out of this post, intentionally. One reason was, I wanted to keep it short & relatively focused. I didn't want it to center on Garcia's addiction, or the later years, or bad behavior by the band. And I didn't want to keep piling up negative stories, though there are plenty. My goal was just to present the problems three different Dead insiders had with the band/scene in the early '70s; though the '90s outcome turned out to be a necessary epilogue......

[forums]Re: The Brotherhood vs. the Dead Machine
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 4, 2014 11:33am into GratefulDead
My issue with Scully's book was also that Dalton obviously had a large hand in it, and I think it would have been more accurate if Scully had done more of it himself. As it is it can barely be trusted as a source, since it reads like it's semi-fictionalized, with all the dialogue, etc. From reading interviews, it's clear Scully has a specific memory for things and could have written a different kind of book......

[forums]Re: The Brotherhood vs. the Dead Machine
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 4, 2014 12:52am into GratefulDead
Yes, '96; if you check the deadessays site it has sources for all the quotes. Hunter's vague on the exact period, and I think his paranoia made him a bit inaccurate too, feeling like every time Garcia dropped a song it was some personal spite to Hunter. Well, you know how some writers can be! Alas, Hunter's made clear he does not ever want to write a memoir & rake over the past. Of course, that was years ago, so maybe he'll change his mind someday........

[forums]Re: The Brotherhood vs. the Dead Machine
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 3, 2014 1:06pm into GratefulDead
After that passage in Phil's book, he kicks himself with guilt over it: "I should have immediately called on our management to create a six-month break from touring... I too was burned out from years of nonstop touring. But I still couldn't pull the emergency cord and bring the train to a halt, knowing that even a six-month break would mean the layoff of most of our longtime employees, who depended on the band for their livelihood........

[forums]Re: The Brotherhood vs. the Dead Machine
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 3, 2014 11:49am into GratefulDead
Garcia would have called this post a "bum trip!" A lot of their ideals ended up backfiring on them since they just didn't work out in real life....or perhaps you could say that they worked best where they originated, in a small self-contained scene, and didn't translate to the larger settings the Dead moved into. I agree, the Dead weren't dropping Hunter's tunes just to lessen his role - it was much more a matter of just Garcia's laziness......

[forums]Re: The Brotherhood vs. the Dead Machine
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 3, 2014 11:38am into GratefulDead
Hunter was a bit upset that they didn't do his bigger song suites - like, Garcia only did a fraction of Terrapin - but that was perhaps the smallest of his contentions with the Dead; he was aware that Garcia would just pick out a few things he thought were most suitable, and leave the rest, and I think he became resigned to that over the years. What upset him more was that Garcia stopped working with him hardly at all, except occasionally when Garcia felt forced to produce a song......

[forums]The Brotherhood vs. the Dead Machine
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 2, 2014 7:47pm into GratefulDead
Musically, the early seventies are remembered as some of the Dead’s finest years. But some of those inside the scene had a very different perspective on what was happening with the band. Robert Hunter recalled the Europe ’72 tour: “What I most remember about '72 was the tragedy of it. Looking back over empty years that should have brimmed with joyful greatness, I realize more and more fully how tragic it was........

[forums]Re: TDIH
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 26, 2014 5:56pm into GratefulDead
I don't remember hearing that little riff in another show, but it does kind of resemble the off-the-cuff jams that popped up in late '76 sometimes - only this one doesn't grow into anything....

[forums]Re: 10/12/68 curiosity...
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 24, 2014 1:06pm into GratefulDead
I think it's extremely iffy that it's Pigpen saying "I was!" I couldn't tell who it was. Why couldn't it be, say, Hart? I also think it was just a joke about going into Alligator. (In fact, they didn't do that transition "next time" either! Or ever?) On the other hand - according to deadlists, during the Drums segment the next night on 10/13/68, someone shouts "Alligator" - the drummers do the Indian chant at the end of drums, and the band goes into a (very shortened) Alligator jam......

[forums]Re: 67: GD second only to the Airplane in national popularity?
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 19, 2014 9:44am into GratefulDead
Pigpen was the most well-known, at that point, from Dead t-shirts and posters. (Plus he was the most distinctive-looking, plus had the biggest stage presence.) Garcia had the "Captain Trips" moniker but I'm not sure if people saw him as the "leader" yet....

[forums]Re: Garcia in the Background
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 19, 2014 9:23am into GratefulDead
OK, maybe it was briefly considered... Spencer Dryden said in a '68 interview: "We'd like to mix it up a little bit: you know, let's play some of the Dead's material; let's have the Dead play some of ours; let's have Grace sing with them; let's have Pigpen sing with us. Let's have some fun! It doesn't have to be that rigid format." Kantner had a similar idea, too. But it never happened. There are numerous examples of Garcia jamming with the Airplane; several times where Jorma & Jack jammed wi......

[forums]Re: 67: GD second only to the Airplane in national popularity?
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 18, 2014 10:57pm into GratefulDead
Their album wasn't a huge seller or FM presence, but the Dead were already underground legends by mid-'67. When they visited NYC for the first time in June '67, they were quite well-known in the local hippie scene and there was a parade in the streets celebrating their arrival! Evidently they were regarded as symbols of the Haight scene and patron saints of hippiedom. http://rchrd.com/Gallery/Sixties/NYC67/index3.html (The guy in front is carrying a white carnation key to the East Village whi......

[forums]Re: Garcia in the Background
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 18, 2014 8:44pm into GratefulDead
Hmm...a couple browsers on a couple computers worked fine for me, so its a mystery... Must be your quirky Nepalese internet! At any rate, I added "follow by email" and tried to adjust the feed setting a bit - it says that my feed may not be operable with the widest range of feed readers - but it's all gobbledegook to me....

[forums]Re: 67: GD second only to the Airplane in national popularity?
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 18, 2014 8:40pm into GratefulDead
Good article, for 1967. And yes, it's clearly "among SF acid-rock groups"......

[forums]Re: Garcia in the Background
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 18, 2014 6:27pm into GratefulDead
That's a good question. When you click "subscribe atom," what happens for me is a new window comes up showing the recent posts or comments, with the option to "subscribe to this feed" & add to your Favorites bar. If you're not seeing that, perhaps you have an older browser or need to update something? Don't know what that message means, though......

[forums]Re: Garcia in the Background
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 18, 2014 6:21pm into GratefulDead
There was never a remote chance that Grace would sing with the GD, and I doubt it was ever even considered. However, there was one show where she, um, "sang" while they jammed, if you want to hear what that was like... https://archive.org/details/gd72-10-09.sbd.vernon.5249.sbeok.shnf The GD & JA were twin bands in a lot of ways. If you're looking at mutual music, try St Stephen vs. Volunteers...it's the same riff......

[forums]Re: Garcia in the Background
Posted by c-freedom on Feb 18, 2014 4:00am into GratefulDead
Hey Light into Ashes; I was thinking about all the bands that got exposure on Summer Tour in the late 80's and early 90's warming up for the Dead in those big football stadium shows during the Touch of Grey era. (Natalie Merchant-10,000 Maniacs) Don't know if that was Garcia's call or someone in the organization but many of those individuals/ bands were just getting started. Also some of the guests that jammed with the boys seemed to really take off after playing with the Dead......

[forums]Re: Garcia in the Background
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 17, 2014 10:38pm into GratefulDead
They were also on side one of Bromberg's "Wanted Dead or Alive."...

[forums]Garcia in the Background
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 17, 2014 6:16pm into GratefulDead
Jerry Garcia spent a lot of time encouraging and helping other musicians, particularly in the early years of the Dead. There are quite a few albums that would not exist or would sound quite different, if not for his support. I’ve been asked to write a post about this, so here is a list of some of the music that Garcia helped create. This shouldn’t be considered a finished piece, just incomplete musings! The first example is Jefferson Airplane’s “Surrealistic Pillow” album, where Garci......

[forums]KPFA Marathon Dead Highlights
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 12, 2014 8:46pm into GratefulDead
Here's the playlist for what David Gans played in the KPFA marathon last weekend - http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com/kpfa-gd-marathon-2014-playlist-and-credits And the streaming mono audio (which will be up until Feb 22) - https://www.kpfa.org/archive/date/2014/02/08 Aside from the 9/16/89 JGB show, a couple Dead SBDs were played that are not circulating: 4/22/78 Set II [this starts at the end of the 5:00 section] The AUD of this show on the Archive is so excellent, though, it's probably as ......

[forums]AUD vs SBD
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 12, 2014 4:55pm into GratefulDead
Crystal-clear quality. The SBD is a lot more balanced instrumentally than the AUD. On the AUD, Garcia is so up-front it's like standing right in front of his amp; on the SBD, everyone's pretty equal & Weir stands out a lot more. The AUD is good if you want to particularly follow Garcia's playing - lots of little details are less noticeable in the SBD. And the AUD, as usual, does sound a lot more energized. Around 6:30 in the Other One, Lesh starts a jazzy 6/8 riff that he played in practicall......

[forums]Re: 1st July 1973 - complete soundboard
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 11, 2014 12:03pm into GratefulDead
Well, yes, Truckin’>drums>Other One>Wharf Rat>Bobby McGee was on the Taper's Section back in '08....

[forums]Re: 1st July 1973 - complete soundboard
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 10, 2014 10:50pm into GratefulDead
Holy smokes! Set I was available here in a somewhat degraded SBD copy, but this is quite a find. One of my favorite Playin' in the Bands from 1973 - I look forward to seeing if it's just as hypnotic in SBD as in that great AUD....

[forums]Re: Are we jaded with too much content and clarity in our Dead listening ?
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 8, 2014 3:16pm into GratefulDead
I think it's purely the number of shows that are available now. If you've only heard a few '74 shows, each one will be special. When you can access every one on the Archive and compare them, for me it's natural to start thinking, "well, they could've picked a better one" and so on. I'm not sure about your sound quality point - it was different in the '80s, when lots of tapes sounded like mud, but now that almost any show (esp......

[forums]Re: 5/14/74 - Gradual Improvement throughout the Night
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 6, 2014 5:02pm into GratefulDead
The Taping Compendium mentions the AUD too, but it has never been transferred to digital. I would guess it wasn't available to Charlie Miller either, since he didn't use it to patch China Doll. Pat Lee's AUD recording of 5/21/74 was great, so I do hope this surfaces sometime. It would be nice to hear a different-sounding perspective of the show. Check out the newspaper reviews mentioned below for accounts of the crowd....

[forums]Re: Missoulian Music Review of 5-14-74 show
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 6, 2014 1:05pm into GratefulDead
Some random musings... I think their desire to go on hiatus was caused more by the troubles caused by the Wall of Sound, internal crew problems, and the band getting sick of the stadium-type shows and steady expansion (Garcia complained about it vociferously at the time) - not by a more rowdy audience. I guess from the Dead's perspective, the big audience jump had taken place in 1970-71, when lots of kids who weren't really "deadheads" started coming to shows since they liked Casey Jones, Tru......

[forums]Re: Missoulian Music Review of 5-14-74 show
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 5, 2014 4:17pm into GratefulDead
Well, to be specific, Weir told David Gans in 1981: "Right before we knocked off in '74, we got so musically inbred that we were playing some fairly amazing stuff, but almost nobody could hear it or relate to it except us. That's one of the reasons why we knocked off and went out and did solo projects. We were speaking a language known only to us, using a musical vocabulary that was really pretty damned esoteric at some points......

[forums]Alternate Review
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 5, 2014 10:52am into GratefulDead
I decided to type it out in full, for CD-lacking readers: GRATEFUL DEAD, AUDIENCE LACK 'COMMON PURPOSE' by Jack Wendel & Paul Piper Montana Kaimin A very high, concert-starved crowd, prepared to grind themselves into the woodwork, cheered on the Grateful Dead's first appearance in Montana. A musical communion, however, it was not, and for all the excitement that had been generated (via advertising) in anticipation of Missoula's potential rock orgy, it was unfortunate that both the Dead and ......

[forums]Re: Missoulian Music Review of 5-14-74 show
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 5, 2014 9:44am into GratefulDead
The other review in the CD booklet is also interesting - it mentions that the audience was full of beer drinkers who came to the show to boogie... Apparently they were disappointed by the musical variety, slow tunes, and long instrumental passages! But happily, the Dead did finally rock out enough for the audience's pleasure. It brought to mind Weir's later comment that a lot of the Dead's jams in '74 were going over their audience's heads....

[forums]Re: Dave's Picks 9
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 5, 2014 9:30am into GratefulDead
I realize I'm in the minority with my tepid reaction to this show...it has almost unanimously glowing reviews here. Could be I wasn't in the right mood; I just don't hear much fire in this show (especially from Garcia) except for a few short bits. Then again, Lemieux writes that "it's filled with nuances that demand multiple listens;" perhaps they're more subtle than I prefer. He also wrote a rather strange comment in the liner notes that the overall purpose of Dave's Picks is "to put out good ......

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